Amblyeleotris latifasciata ?

Amblyeleotris latifasciata ?
Amblyeleotris latifasciata ?
  • Lieu de prise de vue : la Réunion ; Site en baie de la Possession, 37 m
  • Date de prise de vue : 29-06-2024
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Patrick INGREMEAU

Patrick INGREMEAU le 07/07/24

Bonjour,

J'ai photographié ce petit gobie sur un site en baie de la Possession à la Réunion par 37 m.

Me fiant au Taquet-Dirringer, je l'ai identifié comme Amblyeleotris latifasciata, l'illustration du livre ressemblant trait pour trait à ma photo. Et ce d'autant que le Taquet affirme : "Connu dans le Sud-Est asiatique, ce gobie est aussi présent dans l'Ouest de l'océan Indien, au moins à la Réunion, en dessous de 30 m".

Or, on me dit que ce ne peut être cette espèce car Amblyeleotris latifasciata a des bandes larges et les photos qu'on trouve sur Inaturalist mintrent des individus assez différents du mien.

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/468043-Amblyeleot...

Qu'en pensez-vous ? Erreur du Taquet ? Forme (sous espèce) d'Amblyeleotris latifasciata particulière à la Réunion ? Autre espèce ? Je n'ai rien trouvé dans mes recherches pour l'instant.

Merci d'avance de vos réponses

Patrick

Roberto PILLON
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Roberto PILLON le 12/08/25

It's actually a little-known species, and I didn't know its distribution extended beyond the Red Sea. For COF, the distribution is "Distribution: Red Sea; western Indian Ocean: Socotra (Yemen), Oman, Seychelles, Sri Lanka" (https://researcharchive.calacademy.org/research/ic...) so it's fairly compatible with Réunion.

Your identification of Amblyeleotris sungani is probably right, or at least the most correct one with current knowledge.

Eliot RUIZ
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Eliot RUIZ le 12/08/25

Sadly, A. sungnami COI sequences only come from the Philippines, and there are only a few other Amblyeleotris sequences on BOLD, which all seem to be well identified after a quick check... However, its distribution is said to be poorly known in the Indian Ocean, and extends to the Seychelles, even though there is one old record in Mauritius: https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1322081852. So yes, it might be a wrong identification of an undescribed species, or just a rare SWIO population of A. sungnami.


Roberto PILLON
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Roberto PILLON le 12/08/25

Yes, Amblyeleotris sungami may actually be the most similar species; there are quite similar males in the Red Sea (https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133774324), however, there are also significant differences in fins coloration (https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/106231430), and the geografical range is very far away. I suspect it may still be an undescribed species, even if it shares some traits with A. sungami.

Eliot RUIZ
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Eliot RUIZ le 12/08/25

Bonjour,

Morphologiquement, ce gobie parait plus proche d'Amblyeleotris sungami dont la réparition et les différentes livrées semblent méconnues (confusion par exemple dans le Heemstra entre 4 bandes dans la clé et 5 dans la description ci-dessous).

Peut être un mâle particulièrement coloré, caractérisé par la bande rouge sous l'oeil ? A moins bien sûr que ce soit une espèce non décrite ce qui ne serait pas improbable du tout chez les gobies à fort potentiel de spéciation (capacités de dispersion larvaire souvent limitées), et au vu de l'isolation de la Réunion en terme de courants marins du reste du WIO. De manière générale, le genre semble très mal décrit à la Réunion, puisque les seules confirmations de présence dans le Heemstra sont sur la base de photos, alors que les critères méristiques et la génétique sont parfois cruciaux...

"Head and body pearly whitish, with 5 slightly oblique broad orange bands (always well-separated); interspaces pale, with fine pale blue spots, mottling and irregular lines; snout dusky; caudal fin with short orange bar or blotch across bases of rays; 1st dorsal fin with small orange to blue spots and streaks, mostly on lower half."

Patrick INGREMEAU
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Patrick INGREMEAU le 12/08/25

Bonjour,

J'ai retrouvé un couple de cette espèce pour l'instant non identifié sur un site relativement proche du premier et cette fois à 47 m de profondeur; Ils étaient accompagnés d'une crevette commensale.

<p>Bonjour, </p><p>J'ai retrouvé un couple de cette espèce pour l'instant non identifié sur un site relativement proche du premier et cette fois à...
Roberto PILLON
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Roberto PILLON le 10/07/24

Thank you for sharing this photo. It's very interesting, I'm sure this species will have a name in the future.

Patrick INGREMEAU
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Patrick INGREMEAU le 10/07/24

Thanks alot, Roberto, for your answers and for the time you spent trying to solve this mystery.

Roberto PILLON
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Roberto PILLON le 09/07/24

It is not Amblyeleotris delicatulus:

http://vital.seals.ac.za:8080/vital/access/manager...

Roberto PILLON
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Roberto PILLON le 09/07/24

However it could also be Amblyeleotris delicatulus, some characteristics correspond: body with four or five lateral, vertical bands or oblique bars, dorsal half of body with yellow marks, several golden vertical bands on abdomen.

Roberto PILLON
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Roberto PILLON le 09/07/24

In my opinion it is not A. latifasciata and A. aurora.

I think it could just be a species of Amblyeleotris not yet described or Amblyeleotris delicatulus. There is little information on A. delicatulus but it does not seem to me to match well with the appearance of this specimen. I think it's more likely an undescribed species.

Patrick INGREMEAU
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Patrick INGREMEAU le 08/07/24

Bonjour Florian,

Merci de votre réponse mais je n'y crois pas. En fait, on m'a déjà proposé cette espèce avant que je fasse ce post.

Sur toutes les photos que j'ai vu d'A. aurora, il manque les marques rouges très visibles sur la dorsale de l'individu de ma photo. En outre, la queue d'A. aurora possède un pattern bien particulier (visible sur la photo de Doris) alors que la queue de l'individu de ma photo montre une queue marquée de petits traits rouges.

Merci beaucoup d'avoir pris la peine de vous pencher sur le problème.

PAtrick

Florian BERNIER
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Florian BERNIER le 08/07/24

Bonjour

pas un spécialiste, mais je partirais plus sur Amblyeleotris aurora

comme la photo ici, ou la légende précise qu'il vit souvent en partenariat avec la crevette : https://www.fishipedia.fr/fr/crustacea/alpheus-ran...

il a la tache orange qui descend de l'œil, le bout des nageoires avec du orange, les bandes le long du corps sont par contre un peu moins grandes.. ou est ce un effet d'optique car il est de profil ?

un autre avis?



si c'est bien lui, la fiche DORIS pourrait avoir une meilleure photo

https://doris.ffessm.fr/Especes/Amblyeleotris-auro...

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